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Chapter 4 - "The Escape?"

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Chapter 4 - "The Escape?"

Ben discovers that Rose Petal grants invisibility powers; Mike discovers a different power entirely.

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  • Music by - Kevin MacLeod

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Comments

4/27/2009 at 11:34 a.m. by rockness_monster

sin city?

4/27/2009 at 12:14 p.m. by JakusB

wrong video? And its called Film Noir style. Sin City certainly was not the first to ever use it...

Yay for one man crews! I'm giving you the vote cause you deserve it. You followed submission guidelines, and doing one man projects is no easy feat. Not to mention, its nice to see Fungus back in the competition. Good luck!

4/27/2009 at 1:01 p.m. by jdemeere

I agree with JakusB on "Yay for one man crews!" My entry also was a one man crew and I always appreciate it when I see them cause I know just how much work it can be. I try to get away from that knowing how much of pain it is. But when you lose your crew at the last moment then the creative juices start flowing and you can come up with something really interesting. That's why I like one man crews cause they are a challenge! Good post! I had a hard time figuring out what 'rose petal' could actually be. In my original script I had it turn out to be something like the necrenomicon but having no crew left me to write something quickly and leaving 'rose petal' more open ended. You came up with a cool idea. In my mind I was thinking "Run Frodo! Run!" like when he puts on the ring and vanishes. Hehe. Good job!

4/27/2009 at 1:35 p.m. by BohemianFilmCommune

That's 3 for the 'one man crew' video (aside from the punch/trunk, that is), most definitely adds some complications, but also takes a lot of the stress out of things like scheduling. Glad to see you back, fungus.

4/27/2009 at 1:37 p.m. by Sean_Duran

Almost voted for you guys. The story is the most important element, and I liked where this was headed. But I liked Bohemian Film Commune's a little better (the Rose Petal still isn't fully revealed).

Production values are second, but it always helps. Regardless, you did a good job on this. I couldn't tell, were you playing the part of both characters?

4/27/2009 at 2:37 p.m. by JakusB

Yeah, AJ was playing both parts. He actually has a split personality, so its quite hard to tell between the two...

4/27/2009 at 6:28 p.m. by FungusRidden

Thanks for the feedback, guys!

I'll be frank: I had no intention of entering, except when it was nine hours away and there were no videos up, and I really didn't want the chapter to need an extension. So when jdemeere popped up with an entry six hours later, I was quite a bit frustrated. Especially when it was pretty rad. ;)

I guess I should've had more faith in you guys to turn out for it. Sorry I doubted you, and great to see you. :>

I was also thinking "Run, Frodo!" btw. ;)

Lastly, I actually wrote a script -- and even did storyboards -- for a vegetable stopmotion, but when I tried to make it happen, I realized Rockness Monster would do it better. Especially since I don't have a tripod. -_-;

4/27/2009 at 8:56 p.m. by jdemeere

"I'll be frank: I had no intention of entering, except when it was nine hours away and there were no videos up, and I really didn't want the chapter to need an extension"

Hey Frank, I totally was thinking the same thing. When my original plan fell through I was just sitting there on Saturday admitting my defeat. I wasn't going to submit anything either but I had a little itch in my brain that was driving me crazy. I ended up having to do something or I would have went insane. I basically wrote it while I was taping it on the fly and going through the terror of it all because I too wanted to see something up there. I then got sick Sunday and spent the day laying around but I had it render which took a while. When it was done I submitted and saw nobody had post anything and then I was sad cause it felt bare. But then... a short moment later... the community pulled through and there was all sorts of goodies to see. Hi... I'm Justin and I'm addicted to making videos. That is my story.

4/28/2009 at 5:25 p.m. by charliechaplin

why the weird aspect ratio?

4/28/2009 at 6:30 p.m. by FungusRidden

Good question. Final Cut was really avid about preventing me from rendering out in QT Conversion, so I settled for my full-quality 720x480 in iMovie and then let it export again under its Web-sized setting (320x240). Since the original is really designed for full 853 x 480, my guess is it got squashed multiple times, multiple ways before ending up here. :/

Or something.

4/28/2009 at 7:20 p.m. by jdemeere

If I can take a guess FungusRidden I would say your default web-size setting is why it happened. An image that is 853x480 is 16:9, assuming it is NTSC, and 320x240 is 4:3 so I'm thinking it filled in the space with black bars to make up for the ratio difference. A 16:9 ratio with similar size would look more like 320x180. Just my guess there. Might want to play around with it next time. It took me 3 submissions just to get the quality right for how rootclip encodes the files.

4/29/2009 at 2:07 a.m. by FungusRidden

I'm actually a veteran at making five zillion copies in an epic quest to find the magic numbers, J, but this time I was an hour out from the deadline and functioning on 48 hours without sleep. So I made a rare compromise and uploaded the first qualifying file I came up with, then fell asleep on the couch without even waiting to verify that it was posted okay. :<

Shooting in 4:3 would probably be smart to save some work, especially if I frame for letterboxing back to 16:9 in post. Will make a mental note of that.

4/29/2009 at 12:08 p.m. by JakusB

I always shoot 4:3 and letterbox in post. This allows me to fix a badly framed shot, and gives me more control over the size of the letterbox. And I experienced one of your "epic quests" of compressing...

4/29/2009 at 3:52 p.m. by jdemeere

4:3 then letterbox? I don't understand. A 4:3 image will always be a 4:3 image unless you stretch it or zoom in which will lose quality. Why would you do that? Letterboxing is just the 16:9 image fitting into a 4:3 set. You would get a gutterbox just like this image. Hmmm... yes your last vid is a gutterbox looking back at it. Look at Chapter 3 winner and notice how that is not a gutterbox. That image is great. It was rendered to account for rootclips player which looks nice. Dunno... just my thoughts.

4/29/2009 at 4:06 p.m. by elnitter

Good job! I'm really impressed by what you could do all on your own - and it's really cool that you did it so quickly when you were afraid noone was going to enter :)

Pretty cool action scenes, too - I like the jump with the roll! Nice camera work, me thinks.

Storywise, the invisible twist was cool! I really miss Angie though - I understand why she's not there given you can't be both man and woman ;) But I really miss her still.. was looking forward to seeing another interpretation of her!

Good luck :)

4/29/2009 at 5:58 p.m. by FungusRidden

JD, 16:9 as a mask, not a stretch or zoom. Crop off the tops and bottoms. So not shot at those dimensions, but framed FOR those dimensions.

Jakus, I've actually done the same, but framed down to a 2.35 aspect, JUST to save bad cinematography. :O I had a really wacky DP for my thesis last semester who got taken off the project after three days, and in order to extract a lot of terrible headroom, we decided on cropping even more off the shots. Turns out, he looks like a photographic genius. ;)

4/29/2009 at 6:01 p.m. by FungusRidden

Come to think of it, I often do the same with my storyboards. Since I'm in a rush and not a great artist, I frequently go back through each panel, draw a rectangle around the part of the frame that creates the most drama/best composition, then I shade out the rest of the frame. ._. It's actually a nice technique that helps me eliminate a lot of dead-weight I'd otherwise leave in an unremarkable shot.

4/29/2009 at 6:07 p.m. by FungusRidden

Sorry for the triple post, and also for ignoring your post, El. :<

I thought the Angie character was great, and it pained me to lose her from the story. It admittedly is better with her than without. :< But I knew I had to acknowledge her presence without showing her, which really put me in a bad corner. >_< I'd be happy if someone were to play a comedy edge and reveal her to be perfectly fine (sans a bullet wound) in the next scene. ;) She doesn't seem the type who could be gotten rid of so easily. :P

4/29/2009 at 6:24 p.m. by jdemeere

A mask is what I am saying. So you mask out the portion you want... that leaves you with a smaller image. Now you can blow up the image to match the set or you can leave the image small which is why you would get a postage stamp. I would avoid cropping because to bring the cropped image back to the original dimensions you will have a degraded image. In video there really isn't a reason to not shoot again if the image was 'accidentally' framed wrong. With video you can instantly watch what you have then shoot again until you know what you have. It isn't film where you don't know what you have until dallies come in. Then you have to make the creative decision to shoot again at the cost of $$$ or crop at the cost of a degraded image. However I think film doesn't really lose quality as much as video does blowing up the image to resize back to original dimensions.

4/29/2009 at 7:29 p.m. by BohemianFilmCommune

if you shoot at 4:3 and mask to 16:9 you wouldn't have to enlarge anything. There is your picture, formatted in 4:3 with a letterbox to 16:9. If you cropped it down, again, you wouldn't lose any quality or size, you'd end up at the size you intended to end up at. Not to try and negate all your points, but I can think of countless reasons not to re shoot. You ultimately have what you have once you sit down to edit, and must make it into the best you can make it into. It is not often you can go back and pull together everyone, use the location again, etc. Its even less often that I'm rewinding/fast forwarding/reviewing my shots as I go on the set.

4/29/2009 at 7:32 p.m. by BohemianFilmCommune

for example, I shot this one at 16:9 then added a letterbox to get 2.35:1 aspect. Didn't lose anything, its sitting inside of a 4:3 player, just black on top and bottom.

4/29/2009 at 8:26 p.m. by jdemeere

@BohemianFilmCommune - Right that is a little different than what I am getting at. So if you adjusted your aspect to 2.35:1 which is anamorphic I believe. So you have made your actual image size in the player to be 568x242 which is going off what I know the player dimensions are. So that leaves you with a thicker letterbox. Now with the case I am getting at is the reason for the postage stamps we are seeing. Just trying to help out cause JakusB has postage stamps and it might prevent him from getting that if it is understood what is happening. Hehe but I think there is a forum for discussions like this so I will leave it at that. Good luck peeps.

4/30/2009 at 5:47 a.m. by FungusRidden

Thanks for explain, BFC, you voiced what I meant better. ;)

I think any of us who are getting sidebars would benefit from following the same method of matting 4:3 into our desired widescreen like Bohemian, if we want a fast and basic solution. Messing with the settings is ultimately healthier for understanding the site specs, but offers a lot of potential equations for disaster. Best to proceed at your own risk.

Sounds like you run a pretty textbook ship, JD. Did you go through film school or just nail down the standard from industry practice?

4/30/2009 at 9:26 a.m. by BohemianFilmCommune

I hate to continue this bogarting of your movie discussion thread! I don't shoot in 4:3, but in 16:9, but same general idea, I add the letterbox after and shift the picture to best fit the composition. Then I export at 568x320(16x9) and let the player add the rest of the letterbox. You'll only get the side bars of the letterbox if your uploaded video is smaller in width than 568, otherwise, just the top and bottom letterbox. Do you have Quicktime Pro? That would solve all your problems!

4/30/2009 at 9:56 a.m. by JakusB

@jdemeere

I think the pillar boxing on my videos has less to do with my shooting and cropping style than it does my exporting settings. I export to WMV, which pillar boxes it. I know I should be exporting to H.264, but my computer gets funky with it sometimes. I honestly don't spend enough time messing with the compression settings as I should, but a slightly smaller video doesn't bother me that much. I would hope the quality of my story, cinematography, editing, etc would be more important than a video that doesn't quite fill the entire frame of a player.

4/30/2009 at 3:03 p.m. by jdemeere

Yes FungusRidden - I went to Pittsburgh Filmmakers film school. I have been out of practice since 2003 but I'm getting back into the swing of things. I think it is important to be technical really. Not everybody can be creative but everybody creative can be technical. It's only beneficial. If somebody shoots a 16:9 image and matts it to 4:3 then they are going to get the results shown. I don't know why anybody would do that because that is unusual practice. BFC you have touched on what I am trying to tell em. If you shoot 4:3 then crop to 16:9 and if they export their video to a 4:3 THEN encode again to 568x320 they will also get the postage stamp when they upload. I think this is what they are doing. Looking at all their profiles and equipment used they are 720x480 cameras and maybe its what happened.

@JakusB - H.264 is a codec and does not have anything to do with the dimensions. I don't know if you just do this as a hobby but if you would like to become a great filmmaker someday my advise would be to become as technical as you possibly can. Sure the quality of story, cinematography, and editing are important however a filmmaker should be concerned about how it is presented to the audience as well because after all that is part of the experience. You wouldn't want to sell yourself short. It is almost like saying an artist doesn't really care about what kind of brush, quality of paint, or canvas he/she uses. Or if the gallery had bad lighting. It's all part of the overall picture. Just my opinion.

4/30/2009 at 3:23 p.m. by BohemianFilmCommune

ironic that we have this long discussion here while the forum gets all dusty :) I'm starting a thread or' yonder, follow me lads!

4/30/2009 at 10:36 p.m. by FungusRidden

JD, you wouldn't mind writing up a blog about compression settings, would you? I just think having a feature devoted to this topic would be incredibly helpful, and I don't think anyone's specifically covered compression and exporting as a standalone topic (short of the Rootclip guys, and their guidelines are strictly to get entries playing).

Does anybody else think that may be helpful? ._.

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