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Chapter 5 - "Wrong Place, Wrong Time"

Voting ended 9/15/2008

Chapter 5 - "Wrong Place, Wrong Time"

Sometimes, it just isn't your day...

Credits

  • Man With Gun - Marty S.
  • Motorist - Stephan Z.
  • Ryan Brown - Tony S.
  • KC Jones - Dan P.
  • April O'Neal - Amy S.
  • Editor - Lee K.

Scoring

Weighted Community Vote Weighted Judges' Vote Total Score
18.7%
+
10.0%
=
28.7%

Judges' Votes

Nice tight shots.



Comments

9/11/2008 at 2:06 a.m. by jhonnyonthespot

Oh sweat ..this I like .its a shame I'm going to win ,I'd have voted for ya

9/11/2008 at 2:20 a.m. by davidmoon

Are we there yet ... are we there yet ... are we there yet ...

9/11/2008 at 2:46 a.m. by Tony

No! And stop asking, or you won't get any McDonalds

9/11/2008 at 3:12 a.m. by JakusB

I swear to god David, I will turn this car around RIGHT NOW!

Wow, if we thought competition was intense last round, that was nothing! Great submission guys.

9/11/2008 at 3:14 a.m. by davidmoon

"Why are you driving so fast ... where's Ryan and KC ... I want to go home ... Who hit me ... What was that explosion ... Where's my notebook ... Why was I singing ... Why can't we go to Burger King instead ..." Thank goodness there's a time limit, or this dialog could have went on forever. Nicely shot, though (as usual). You lost me at "Get out, or ... GET OUT!!!".

9/11/2008 at 3:15 a.m. by davidmoon

After, I should say ...

9/11/2008 at 3:17 a.m. by davidmoon

This one might win because the static video preview has stopped at April's crotch. Good timing guys!

9/11/2008 at 5:25 a.m. by allen

@davidmoon

The video thumbnail, while hilarious, is not intentional. You can bet teams from now on are going to be figuring out exactly what second that is and starting to place bikini-clad maidens right there! :-) Might I add that the play button is also precariously perched.

9/11/2008 at 5:51 a.m. by JakusB

@David hahaha

Too bad for Jhonny... her thumbnail is only a black box... what a shame...

9/11/2008 at 7 a.m. by jhonnyonthespot

Last time I checked a box is better then legs(if you never heard a box used as slang for vagina this comment is not as funny)

9/11/2008 at 9:30 a.m. by killerrobotninja

oh my!

9/11/2008 at 10:07 a.m. by Tony

lol we were pleased when this accidentally happened. hooray sex appeal!

9/11/2008 at 10:28 a.m. by davidmoon

I'm adding the crotch, booty or jugs shot (10 secs in) to the lesbian/musical Rootclip sure-win scenario.

9/11/2008 at 11:25 a.m. by FungusRidden

I definitely expected certain things in this entry based on the thumbnail that weren't in it at all. ;)

Nicely shot, but I'm not terribly keen on the story direction. I'm also not crazy about most of the dialogue. The performances of it came and went, but the important thing is, you're back in black, Tony. ;) And, might I add, this entry is much sharper than your last, even if a little more toned down from the adventurousness. Combine them and you'll be a cinematic powerhouse. >:3

Very well done!

9/11/2008 at 2:08 p.m. by privatehuff

Yes, we were very please when we saw the thumbnail!

Thanks for the positive comments guys. We traded in the scifi for a more traditional actiony plot. There wasn't as much time/crew available for this one and the hurricane complicated the shooting schedule, but we gave it our best.

We've never done any gun stuff before, and it was cool learning how to do the muzzle flashes in post. Depending on your monitor it might be (very) hard to see. (Kinda sucks.. the video looks a lot darker on here, but I am on a different computer than the one I edited on)

9/11/2008 at 3:54 p.m. by Hueh

Okay - enough about the girls private parts. I didn't know that's what this was about?? Getting back to the tape, it's the second one I've watched and I think I like it better than the first (Nowhere to Run). I liked the driving shots - nice trees - but the "inside the van shots" were too dark. The story at least was not a rerun from Jericho, but it still did not really peak my interest also I could not understand all of the dialog...meaning it was not coming thro clearly. This is not a problem with my computer it was an enuciation problem.

9/11/2008 at 5:51 p.m. by Tony

Which person couldn't ya hear? I can understand them all lol

9/11/2008 at 8:12 p.m. by natejones

LOL..."No! I'm not gonna leave her (bang)" I like the overall look but I laugh everytime the second guy gets shot.

9/11/2008 at 9:18 p.m. by JackStopIt

I agree with the tree shots, beautiful...but I feel like the quality of the film drops once the first guy gets shot. Also, its a little late to be introducing yet another character, too much new story and not enough explanation.

9/12/2008 at 12:17 a.m. by Tony

Everyone keeps saying that like introducing another character is like the end of the world lol. It's never too late to introduce another character! Sissies

9/12/2008 at 12:46 a.m. by Tony

Also, we killed one off, so it's equal

9/12/2008 at 1:01 a.m. by bobmcgee

I didn't really like this one. It kills off one of the main character, the other is left behind. It branches off it's own story line and doesn't fit with the rest of the series. What happened with the bomb that everyone seems to have forgotten about? That's what started all of this.

9/12/2008 at 1:34 a.m. by danflew

just a flesh wound, he doesn't have to be dead! Unless you want him to be i guess...

9/12/2008 at 6:35 a.m. by jhonnyonthespot

How I watched the video ,and I imagine how it was filmed ...people are after april dead or alive so hmmmm ... maybe that explosion was ...lets see ...someone wanting her DEAD!.(@tony cottect me if I'm wrong) and oh no added a character ! ...and pretty much killed 3 of leaving 1 less then most ...people are stupid . Entering the last with 2 characters is big story progression and easier . To bad I'm getting 5 jude votes or you prolly had a chance at this round but good luck dude.

9/12/2008 at 8:27 a.m. by Tony

yeah, i suppose that KC could easily be alive...much like april turned out to be... I see the split in the story much like a road that splits and goes around a lake or pond- it could just as easily intersect after the fact or ..never again. i feel all the other entries just played it way too safe.. and jhonny points out that its fewer people. I mean, heck, there's a million reasons but i think this box only gets so big lol.

9/12/2008 at 10:19 a.m. by Ohhhh

So...I'm kinda new to this whole thing but I am really not a fan of this one. I mean there are some really nice shots but there is just way too much goin on for me. Like why you killin everyone? Wasn't the point to make a cohernt story that follows the three characters from beginning to end? Also there is no attempt to start to wrap up, you just added another twist (which is always great) but I guess I was lookin for more explanation...maybe a hint as to why they want April or a reason for the explosion. Maybe it's just me but I am not a fan of films that just keep you hanging and then reveal everything little detail right at the very end. I guess I'm more of give me hints and let me try and figure it out.

Anyway, rant over...I still say great effort though!

9/12/2008 at 11:49 a.m. by jhonnyonthespot

Ohh so not a fant of good movies lol , I like that no one said boo about an old man suddenly becomming a character but anything tony does gets sh!t on .

9/12/2008 at 11:55 a.m. by jhonnyonthespot

Fan* and hasn't anyone ever watched a movie , people come and go in stories its really all up to the last min or two to wrap it all up and make it all make sence ,the answer isn't always "bombs set to blow up the continental usa and a small part of the paciffic " think of m night shamalalalalalal. But I guess hafe of these comments aren't people really disliking they are just people who want there video or a friends to win sooo....vote on my video "oh my"

9/12/2008 at 12:30 p.m. by FungusRidden

Wow.

I hate to be one of those people who sidetracks from commenting on the entry (what we're all here for), but dang, jhonny, you're really a bit over the top. A la Rockstar, but with even less humility. I hope your declaration of sweeping all five judges is a joke...

Everyone's got their opinions, so judging everyone else for pointing out an aspect they didn't particularly appreciate is not only moot but also poor practice for someone truly interested in helping others improve. Experiment with, "The reason I feel differently from you is ." I think people will validate your comments much more if you offer a little more objectivity. :<

9/12/2008 at 12:55 p.m. by jhonnyonthespot

I just say what I feel I would like all to do so to me also , a side note I think would be kool if only people in contest made comments or at least people who have been a member for more the a day or so lol trolls. Yea I'm a bitch so sue me

9/12/2008 at 1:08 p.m. by ThatsWhatSheSaid

It's clear you can never underestimate the power of a crotch-focused thumbnail. Impressive!

9/12/2008 at 1:19 p.m. by Tony

Johannys gone mad lol. Yeah I donno, we tried an explanation last time but got boo'ed off so.. (remember the note book from the first movie?...oh yeah! lightbulb goes on) "Wasn't the point to make a cohernt story that follows the three characters from beginning to end? " as for that, not really, its to make a damn good story. If you have to sacrifice some guys in the process, so be it!

9/12/2008 at 2:15 p.m. by killerrobotninja

word, Only one of the 3 characters from "good luck" lived to see the intergalactic make-out fest.

9/12/2008 at 3:32 p.m. by Ohhhh

So, sorry if I offended ya Jhonny, obviously not the intent. Like I said, I'm new, heard about this thing at school and joined. I see how you would want only old people to vote but then ppl like me are kinda screwed, I mean do I wait until the next story to vote? Isn't the point to get as many members as possible to get more entries and make this badass thing get even bigger? Everybody starts off as a newcomer at some point. Anyway, to back up the whole character comment I made, we are in chapter five now, we are basically setting up for the final act and I wanna see more resolution than just sweet plot twists. I see your point with killin off some characters, does narrow things down but I guess I was just a fan of keeping the original characters till the end

9/12/2008 at 3:34 p.m. by JakusB

Jhonny, you talk about "trolls" on this site, yet you only showed up yourself after last chapter, and if anyone has been a troll on here its been you. No offense or anything, but its hard to call yourself a senior Rootclip member and talk crap about people when you've only been here two weeks. I'm not trying to start a mudslinging contest here, I'm just saying take it down a notch. Let people have their opinions. Its great if you think differently, but you must understand, they can too. So what if they are just defending their friend's video? A mean comment doesn't make a video any better or worse, so whats the big deal? And for Pete's sake, can you work on your spelling? Its damn near impossible to understand you...

Its good to see your winning Tony. All these videos are great, I still have no idea who I'm gonna vote for. I might just end up giving it to one of the "effort" videos like Ride to Remember or Bad Turn. Either way, video looks great, good luck!

9/12/2008 at 3:46 p.m. by Tony

Johannys a troll-; with a bow. Effort means nothing. We all know that already, myself all too well.

9/12/2008 at 5:07 p.m. by FordPrefect

I really just don't understand the premise of this story when viewed in context with the previous videos.

9/12/2008 at 5:44 p.m. by Tony

seems pretty simple to me. everyones after april!

9/12/2008 at 6:47 p.m. by davidmoon

I'm old. Can I vote?

9/12/2008 at 7:11 p.m. by Tony

only if you vote here xD- those damn hipster kids dont like old timers

9/12/2008 at 8:10 p.m. by PantsMan

Im not sure i really like the way this is going. It just seemed a bit confusing as to what can happen next. just adding and taking character away so late in the series.

9/12/2008 at 8:14 p.m. by Raph

I agree the extra character jumping in and ditching the others...sure its headed for an ending but its a little contrived. I mean i honestly liked alot of it, the thing that really bother me is the line "You're worth more alive" I have no idea how this new character and her are gonna wrap up a story lien that has yes to surface with one more video

9/12/2008 at 9:39 p.m. by nrryan

ok, sweet the thumbnail is skirt and legs...yay. But then again she looks 15 in the video...so yeah. Its shot just fine. I do kinda fail to see how shooting a main character and not doing a cliff hanger and pretty much going nowhere helps the story move along. Maybe if somebody was trapped in a watch! huh? huh? That'd be badass, right? huh? yeah.....

9/12/2008 at 9:59 p.m. by davidmoon

Should have shot April ... she whines too much.

9/12/2008 at 10:04 p.m. by GetAround

Tony - I think your a very talented film maker & for your next film I hope a hurricane doesn't head in the path of your production. - that said I also think that this would have been a great entry for chapter 4 - I think you should have used those 16 seconds & brought april to meet her maker, or established who wanted her & why the person wanted her ... if you would have done that you would have had my vote.

9/12/2008 at 10:11 p.m. by Tony

I hope we win, mostly so I can show you how it will end.

9/12/2008 at 10:16 p.m. by FungusRidden

The good news is, upon viewing it yet again, I found even more things I liked about it. This entry keeps growing on me more, including the performances by each of the actors (excluding: "No, I'm not going to leave her!")

Trolling is certainly a little bothersome, but without censoring (aaaaa, panic, burn flags!), it can be a little hard to control. And I think every one of us has at least one friend who's only too happy to take it a step over the line sometimes...

And I'm with David; should've shot April. I liked her better in the watch.

9/12/2008 at 10:40 p.m. by davidmoon

Well if you are going to troll, please head on over the blog area of this Web site, where there is a link to Digg this contest, and make yourself useful.

9/12/2008 at 11:06 p.m. by GetAround

off subject-

Was the comment I made on Jhonny "oh my" to honest or does everyone agree with me?

9/12/2008 at 11:20 p.m. by Tony

I think we got downvoted because the watch was "too difficult" for some less talented people to pick up on. We thought it was awesome but apparently its not awesome enough. why dont we start next round with someone in a watch? a rolex.

9/12/2008 at 11:24 p.m. by davidmoon

Sorry, but I thought the tumbling space mirror in Superman and Superman II was more effective than the watch -- an OBVIOUS plot rip-off.

9/12/2008 at 11:30 p.m. by Tony

lol ill cut you, david

9/12/2008 at 11:31 p.m. by davidmoon

"... Jor-EL. I swear it, no matter that it takes an eternity! You will bow down before me! Both you, and then your heirs!"

9/12/2008 at 11:34 p.m. by davidmoon

Perhaps next time try encasing your characters in carbonite ...

9/13/2008 at 12:52 a.m. by privatehuff

@davidmoon

If you can point us to an after effects tutorial for it, we'll see what we can do!

9/13/2008 at 1:04 a.m. by Tony

or maybe call boba; my backpack's got jet! im boba, the fett!

9/13/2008 at 2:30 a.m. by privatehuff

@everyone saying we screwed up the story by doing too much or not enough:

Round 2 was won by a video that essentially killed one of the main characters. April later turned out to be alive, but I don't think it was a major issue for anyone at the time. (But I'm not going to go check the comments again)

Round 3 was a musical. The other characters chased Santa(!) down the road with April still alive (and singing) on the hood, rolling off just before Santa self-destructed for no reason. Besides declaring April not dead, it didn't otherwise advance the plot. And, although I preferred "Citrus with Attitude", I can certainly see why the judges ended up backing FungusRidden's video so strongly, as it was quite well done.

Round 4 introduced a completely new character, with a gun, insisting that April and her friends come with him.

This video involves someone else who is also after April and insists even more strongly (using bullets!) that she come with him. It is revealed that people are after April because she has a price on her head, which makes sense seeing as how she is a reporter that has thus far been hit by a car and abducted at gun point. Things are blowing up and she's getting close to the truth, etc etc.

The full story behind the situation, the reason this isn't just another "same ole" day for Ryan and KC, is a glorious round 6 epiphany thing. Even if we had started it here, the round 6 entries could just ignore it and do whatever they want. (i.e. does anyone remember the book from the first clip??)

I don't recall anything in the rules (or anywhere else) that says all 3 characters featured in the first clip need to all be together again having a tea party in the last clip.

KC could be dead, or dying, alone or with Ryan. Ryan could have gone to get help or just run for the hills. The next video could even ignore him entirely and just follow April and her captor... I don't see where the plot is unclear at the moment or lacks direction from this point on.

There are a million things you could do from this point, and wrap things up in the 2 (or 3+) minutes with a wicked reveal. I sincerely hope we win this round so we can show you an example.

9/13/2008 at 2:57 a.m. by davidmoon

You guys are so overly sensitive. You are winning the popular vote, so chill out.

9/13/2008 at 8:05 a.m. by Tony

Doesn't mean anything! We know that already, too!

9/13/2008 at 2:17 p.m. by davidmoon

But who are you trying to sway or convince? You don't have to justify; just let it stand as is.

9/13/2008 at 4:06 p.m. by cj2008

I am convinced

9/13/2008 at 4:30 p.m. by Tony

Ourselves!

9/14/2008 at 12:05 a.m. by jhonnyonthespot

ourselves ... your sh!ts weak.you may beat me but ill beat you in the parking lot.

9/14/2008 at 1:03 a.m. by Tony

lol

9/14/2008 at 3:09 a.m. by privatehuff

Felt like I should say something; said it.

9/14/2008 at 9:01 a.m. by JakusB

Man this video is so screwed up! It does wayyy too much while at the same time not doing enough! How can you put in a new character this late in the story?? The whole plot makes no sense at all! You can't kill one of the main characters!! Theres not a single thing you can do from this point!! Maybe if someone can answer all these questions they might start winning. =P

9/14/2008 at 12:29 p.m. by Tony

How could you put a new character so late in chapter four! And we can Totally kill off a main character. It's fun, you should try it some time. Are you afraid to face us in chap 6!?

9/14/2008 at 1:13 p.m. by JakusB

Hahaha, I'm guessing you didn't pick up on my sarcasm Tony? I was just picking on private Huff by going through his comment and re-complaining about everything he explained.

No, I really liked this video. I immediately understood your plot (although I had to explain it to a few people, dunno whats so complicated about it). I'm basing my initial script off this video, but its very tentative, because, as both of us well know, the judges can totally change the tide. (But I'm hoping you guys win here, you deserve it.)

9/14/2008 at 2:38 p.m. by Dennisg

oops xD

9/14/2008 at 2:38 p.m. by Dennisg

comment on wrong video sorry

9/14/2008 at 2:39 p.m. by Dennisg

how do i un-vote for someone?

9/14/2008 at 2:51 p.m. by davidmoon

Settle down everyone. Sheesh!

9/14/2008 at 4:52 p.m. by nrryan

ok, yes keep responding to comments with MC Chris lyrics bc thats the only cool thing on this page. No, please please please please dont ever ever ever ever do the watch thing again. its just bad. Dont get me wrong, this video is definatly gonna get some kind of award, like a daytime emmy maybe. Its the most i've ever seen David Blane speak. I dont really understand why he's wearing a Hot Topic fadora and a studded bracelet though. I suppose for the production value of having "badass" on screen. He could be jealous of Chris Angel maybe. OR! or they're a team and they're taking over the world. Thats it. Thats how you should end it. Zoom into someones mouth scream mindfreak......then start from scratch and make something that makes sense!!!

9/14/2008 at 5:02 p.m. by Tony

Yeah, we'll be sure to do that.

9/14/2008 at 6:01 p.m. by Sunshine

I don't mean to sound demeaning but have you ever studied story structure? or even like a 3 act structure? this is the 2nd to last video and you should be heading toward a resolution....all you seemed to do is take a Michael Bay approach by killing off, trading, and adding new characters.

I think you may need to re-evaluate what is considered a "damn good story"

9/14/2008 at 7:09 p.m. by davidmoon

Killing off characters are not a big deal. (Bad acting should be punished by death) What I don't like about this chapter is that it goes nowhere. There are no sensible details and no cliff hanger.

9/14/2008 at 8:58 p.m. by elnu01

VOTE FOR TONY ONLY !!! HE'S THE BEST !!! Nice set-up & production footage. Cool lookin' cast . Elnu

9/14/2008 at 9:14 p.m. by CroFace

i would just love to share that this video is disgustingly better then the others. i haven't watched other previous chapters but i have watched the others for this chapter and they kinda aren't great, no offense. tony and co. win in my book. kthanksbye.

cro

9/14/2008 at 9:26 p.m. by jhonnyonthespot

I think this has a cliff hanger , and if I can't win "knock on wood" I would like to see how he sums it up. And as for story structure anyone who has seen mine knows I don't play those games . 3 act bs means to me you aren't creative and need to follow a templet . If my xl1 didn't break I can tell you I planned to kill april and not like in round 2 I was going to splatterher brains ...like a zombie hit em in the brain an they stay dead.

9/14/2008 at 9:56 p.m. by bryceanderic

Yeah, no need to follow a 3 act structure, why let formality stifle creativity?

9/14/2008 at 11:04 p.m. by Tony

Here,here. Cro face, please share it with the world

9/14/2008 at 11:05 p.m. by mysj_1210

good sets, sound, lighting ,use of space. only chapter to jump it to the next level. I like the fact that April is still "out of the picture" and the smystery goes on. Most believable script...

9/15/2008 at 12:35 a.m. by BigDaddy

A little dark in the car - couldn't see the chick's face - nice gunshot flashes though - good luck

9/15/2008 at 9:17 a.m. by RichardR

Wow Ant, I didnt know you could do this kind of stuff! Best of luck! -Rich Ratzer

9/15/2008 at 9:57 a.m. by monkey787878

nice job man! i was able to vote while my boss wasnt looking (haha). ill see who else i can muster up at the office. take care, -james

9/15/2008 at 10:06 a.m. by bubbles8228

the guy in the hat is cute!

9/15/2008 at 10:11 a.m. by crabpeople

hahaha. im voting in film class!! hahaha see you in marketing tony btw, i agree the car was dark but i dont thnk it hurt yur story

9/15/2008 at 10:14 a.m. by lickitysplit

i like this video. it feels movie like a real movie. i just felt the others were lacking something but you guys got it. best of luck.

9/15/2008 at 10:39 a.m. by vegasray

lol i wont leave her bang

9/15/2008 at 10:55 a.m. by moplz

tony little dark but good

9/15/2008 at 11:04 a.m. by backwardblackbird

saw your away glad to help

9/15/2008 at 11:09 a.m. by pinvagee

are u winning

9/15/2008 at 11:13 a.m. by farcuses

ross linked me hope you win

9/15/2008 at 11:14 a.m. by cokestrap

great stuff tony

9/15/2008 at 11:16 a.m. by sodaman420

sweet movie tony can you give that girl my number? haa yes!!

9/15/2008 at 11:19 a.m. by nowhammiestop

wow tony good job

9/15/2008 at 11:50 a.m. by valintinedaze

sweet!

9/15/2008 at 11:53 a.m. by theefly

im unclear as to if it should say vote or retract? tony this is not user friendly

9/15/2008 at 11:55 a.m. by metsgrl

vote or die ......i picked vote

9/15/2008 at 11:58 a.m. by sweetsuit

haha im voting on my luncg break for you tony ;)

9/15/2008 at 12:37 p.m. by party

voting history looks legit...

9/15/2008 at 12:49 p.m. by jhonnyonthespot

Don't leave me hangin last judge hook up "oh my"

9/15/2008 at 1:11 p.m. by Anton

Dear Rootclip Team and community.

I don't know where to post this, so I'll just post it in the comments of the two videos involved.

Actually you just have to look at the voting history of "wrong place, wrong time". The video got 67 Votes in the last two hours! Wow! Over a third of all their votes in just two hours. These guys must have forgotten to tell so many of their friends about this thing and must've told them this morning! Congratulations! This is pretty amazing!

First I thought "there must be something wrong!" But then I read in the voters comments that one friend was at work and wanted to ask the others from work to vote for this clip. Okay, I thought. So this guy managed to convince at least 30 people from work to vote. Nice! Then I also found out that one of the voters was sitting in film class. So he also might have just asked about 30 students to vote for "wrong place, wrong time".

The only thing that disturbs me is that the votes are so nicely spread over the last two hours! Poor office, poor film school! Could somebody please give them another computer so they don't have to stand in line to vote! One might still think there's something wrong. But don't worry. One third of the last-two-hour voters have at least posted a comment or have voted also for another clip. So everything is cool - these are real people!

Good for them that they had so many friends who voted! If it weren't for them "Nowhere to run" would have won.

So there is nothing left to say than congratulations!

Hope you guys feel as good as I do about this thing!

Cheers!

9/15/2008 at 1:26 p.m. by ninjao

I must say voting history looks very interesting. Nowhere to run should be the winner..

9/15/2008 at 1:32 p.m. by zander

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9/15/2008 at 2:09 p.m. by jplunket

Our track team meets at the same place for lunch every monday b4 practice . I know we all voted . Mad Prop tony

9/15/2008 at 2:35 p.m. by Hibisci

Again, I'm sorry you guys have only one computer to share... But that's ok. It's so much fun to submit stuff here when it's equal chances for everyone, right?

9/15/2008 at 3:06 p.m. by davidmoon

One more vote ... will the viral frenzy pay off??? Hmmmm ...

9/15/2008 at 3:37 p.m. by davidmoon

Didn't pay off ...

9/15/2008 at 3:45 p.m. by ing

...and that's why the judging system was put in place.

9/15/2008 at 4:24 p.m. by davidmoon

Well, it worked. I know these guys are bummed and feel cheated two times in a row, but I hope they keep making entries for future Rootclip adventures.

9/15/2008 at 5:15 p.m. by Tony

I feel cheated. Twice.

Clearly, popular vote doesn't mean sh!t.

Whats the point of bringing all these people to look at your site when it does nothing for you?

I'm actually so sick of all this. All our votes are legit. I watched and helped my film class do this.

I told my friends, my family, everyone.

And it got me nowhere.

Ridiculous.

2nd place doesn't get anything either.

its like fishing and never catching anything.

I propose a 1/3 2/3 split between judges and voters. Judges get 1/3 and voters get 2/3. That way, popular vote might affect the outcome of the winners instead of being meaningless. As the site grows the point is to attract people and make them feel like they accomplished something, but we just feel like we wasted ours (and our voters) precious time. It is very difficult to keep telling people to vote when we don't win. Its also BS that because we got a bunch of votes people think we are cheaters. You're just jealous because you can't get that many. And to you, piss off. You'll see us get the same numbers next time.

9/15/2008 at 5:26 p.m. by fiercedeityys

No need to be a sour. Plenty of worthy filmmakers have lost before, including bryceanderic, KRN, FungusRidden, and jaytaylorthe1. If I recall correctly, this is in fact the first time that the judge vote has actually chosen something that didn't get the majority of popular vote, so up until this entry, popular vote has always been the deciding factor when all scores were tallied. And on the "cheating" side of things, I can say that many groups have been accused of it before, so it almost goes with the territory if you're someone who actually has a decent fanbase. Everyone loses from time to time.

9/15/2008 at 5:30 p.m. by Tony

We had popular vote last time also. I would have proposed the switch in judge/vote percentages earlier but I didn't think it would happen again. (We had 23% versus the next highest at 14%) and the round before that was quite close (solid 20 to 19 percent). i think weve discovered that the formula for the balance between judges and voters has not been found yet.

9/15/2008 at 5:38 p.m. by FungusRidden

I'm still pissed about losing Chapter 2. ONE VOTE, AND THAT STORY WAS GOLD... ;_;

PS: Not a scalp.

PPS: You've come into the game just as the site is getting extra hardcore, Tony. That's a bummer for you, because you might otherwise be chowing down on those judge votes like they were candy. If the community continues to improve and expand, those votes will start tearing off more than three ways, which will better pronounce your voting base's edge. Stick it out and you'll either hit the formula and walk out a winner, or live to see the day where not even judges can save the competition. :)

9/15/2008 at 5:44 p.m. by fiercedeityys

I think the system is fair as it stands. The point of the judges is that is prevents people from creating complete garbage and then flooding the voting system to win. I'm not saying this entry is crap, I'm just trying to point out that this system allows for entries who can't wrangle up friends, yet are excellent, to win the round over popular vote based entries.

9/15/2008 at 8:50 p.m. by danflew

wow, judges Ducked you again tony. pop vote really doesn't mean jack, they may as well get rid of it. Or just display the pop vote off to the side, and let the big guys weigh in at the adult table to determine the winner. because that's what it is, off to the side...

9/15/2008 at 8:51 p.m. by davidmoon

Want some cheese with that wine?

You are not cheated. The judges were brought in to balance the better clips from a viral rally from friends (and past cheaters). The winning formula is not only to spread the word, but to woo the judges with the best chapter. If jhonny had 12 million friends that voted, and won this round ... would you think that was fair with her submission?

I know Rootclip has t-shirts, but how about Rootclip crying towels for the losers ... that would be pretty funny.

9/15/2008 at 8:52 p.m. by davidmoon

@danflew - I'm sure the winner would disagree.

9/15/2008 at 9:23 p.m. by fiercedeityys

I agree wholeheartedly with you, davidmoon. You may lose, but you're only a loser if you can't accept defeat gracefully.

9/15/2008 at 11:24 p.m. by privatehuff

Sorry, Tony busted his @$$ getting votes so he's a little upset.

When does the next story start? Is that scheduled already or totally TBA? (We'll definitely be entering!)

Thanks to everyone who voted/commented/etc. As usual, we learned a lot and had fun. See you next go-round :)

9/16/2008 at 12:17 a.m. by fiercedeityys

I think rootclip said that the next story starts September 22nd.

9/16/2008 at 12:58 a.m. by danflew

davey- disagree with what? i suppose you could just ask, this being an open forum...

ohhh, and that was quite the bomb you laid. salt in a wound much?

9/16/2008 at 7:29 a.m. by davidmoon

Voting help the winner also. It's not all about the popular vote and getting votes from friends and friends of friends - that's only one battle. I'm glad that they will be giving it another try.

These guys don't like when the community critiques their videos ... they don't like when the judges don't pick their videos ... They need to start listening more, and reacting less to win this game. At the end of the day, focusing on popular vote has not paid off.

9/16/2008 at 5:27 p.m. by davidmoon

I think you guys should consider doing a commercial for Rootclip ... see their blog.

9/16/2008 at 8:34 p.m. by bruinguy86

It should be pointed out that Rootclip has a fairly limited viewer base since this site is in its infancy. The more viewers this site attracts, the user based voting percentages will more accurately reflect the best videos. When there are 10,000 people voting on the best video, someone who solicits 100 friends and family to vote for their video will only slightly affect the percentage of votes their video recieves. So, the more the site grows the better the current system will be.

I don't fault Tony for encouraging friends and family to vote for their video and I wouldn't go so far as to say it equates to cheating. From the perspective of the Root Clip creators, how do you quantify how many people a participant may send to the site to vote for their video? It's impossible. Tony has introduced a lot of people to the site and that is a positive thing for the community.

Let's all keep in mind that this is a venue to improve our filmmaking skills and receive feedback from our peers and those working in the industry. The competition aspect of this is exciting, but let's not get so caught up in it that we loose sight of what we are here to do - have fun and help eachother out.

9/17/2008 at 11 a.m. by killerrobotninja

I wish this system was in effect last story. It's a nice little 2 part game now.

-First, make a quality video that professionals will like and vote for.
-Second, get everyone you can to vote for you.

If you don't play both parts of the game, your chances of winning are hindered. The newcomers should appreciate that the first part of the formula could be completely ignored before the judges came along.

9/17/2008 at 12:38 p.m. by FungusRidden

I'd still prefer that the judges truly score the entries, rather than picking one to add 10% to. If each judge adds 1-10 points to your score, depending on how good they thought the entry was, it becomes much harder to play the numbers and weigh the judge patterns until the scores are there.

My blessings on the judging system however it stands, though; it -is- serving its purpose of censoring out films that might otherwise have forcefully represented Rootclip through vote floods.