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Chapter 3 - "Citrus with Attitude "

Voting ended 8/18/2008

Chapter 3 - "Citrus with Attitude "

Audrey Bertaux-Skeirik- Girl 1 Kristin St. Clair- Girl 2 Greg Fink- Mikey Alon Alon Mei-Tal- Leo Jay Taylor- Director/editor/camera operator

Scoring

Weighted Community Vote Weighted Judges' Vote Total Score
11.9%
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10.0%
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21.9%

Judges' Votes

Violence and lesbians--what's not to love!? This piece hold together as a story by itself and also gives great back-story to the entire thread. Well shot and edited--a clear winner. Keep up the great work.



Comments

8/14/2008 at 3:46 p.m. by allen

Okay everybody, I just want to let you know that JayTaylor1 submitted this video before the deadline. We had a few technical issues on the upload that prevented it from getting posted until now. Wait until you hear the story behind this one, JayTaylor1 got arrested in the making of this video. Now that's dedication!

8/14/2008 at 4:01 p.m. by davidmoon

Ooowee! Her spleen ...

8/14/2008 at 4:16 p.m. by jaytaylorthe1

Thank you Allen for all your help! What a stressful day...

8/14/2008 at 4:57 p.m. by thedude

Solid entry. not as funny as the musical, but it progresses the story more and is better than aftershock in every way, especially the acting

8/14/2008 at 5:06 p.m. by davidmoon

I thought this was very clever. Hooded lesbians, or a all-out musical extravaganza ... a difficult dilemma.

8/14/2008 at 5:12 p.m. by funkalicious

Probably the greatest short film i've ever seen in my entire life. Ever.

8/14/2008 at 6:56 p.m. by filmguy

very well done! i love the out of order scenes coming together, very Quentin Tarantino! also the acting is hillareous, in a good way! I remember liking the two guys from the cloverfield one, and its great to see them back and better than ever! (also loved the russian accent).

8/14/2008 at 7:42 p.m. by omingo

hahaha! "you just killed them all over my car!" hahahahahah

You get my vote. Next time don't go so heavy in post and try to mix your audio better.

good luck.

8/14/2008 at 8:34 p.m. by anakedfish

These movies are all terrible. I suggest we do a repeat deadline for chapter three. c'mon, lesbians? do we have to go there?

8/14/2008 at 8:49 p.m. by clogeland

I think the addition of the two women being lesbians and having a kissing scene was a tasteless and pointless waste. I would have liked this entry had that part been excluded. It simply had no purpose.

8/14/2008 at 9:39 p.m. by ChiriSan

That was pretty cool, everyone involved acted welll. I enjoyed the performance, very much Tarantino-esque as filmguy brought to light! But...but this is introducing a parallel story line which isn't really progressing the story much. It's still pretty sweet and all, but I could as well come up with a funky story that will lead us to the same point as boom (chapter 2) without necessarily taking the story forward that much.

Aight, aight...been doing myself some drinking lately (as usual) and so I apologize If I'm a bit upfront and all.But this third chapter competition submission isn't doing much to advance the plot. I guess the rootclip crew should have come up with a more viable first chapter. Keeps its more realz, no need to introduce a possible Godzilla kinda thing with your first chapter...more down to earth next time.

I'm very curious to know why you guys were arrested, spill the beans please!! That must've been awesome!

8/14/2008 at 10:37 p.m. by davidmoon

The lesbian action actually threw me off guard, and I was wondering where this was all going and what did it have to do with the last clip? First time through, I completely missed what was going on with the garage door opener. Perhaps an explosion shot would have connected it better.

Being the continuity police, I thought there were some details missed, like the lack of bloody mess and bodies in the back seat during the dialog after the lesbians got iced.

I thought it was a strong and clever script, but the technicals needed more refining.

8/14/2008 at 10:45 p.m. by erik

@ChiriSan if you've got some suggestions for the next Rootclip, let them be known in the comments of this latest blog post.

@clogeland I agree with your statement about the kissing scene being unnecessary.

@anakedfish sorry, dude! No extension on the deadline, but if you really think these are all as bad as you say they are, vote for the one that best continues the story. Maybe you can show us what a "good" entry would look like next round? Yeah, I went there. Hahah!

As for me, I'm still not quite sure where to place my vote. I like each of them for different reasons. It's a tough call. Well done to each submitter, this round. I'll be curious to know what each of the judges has to say when they weigh in on this round. Good luck everyone!

8/15/2008 at 12:11 a.m. by ing

i completely agree with the lesbian scene. utterly pointless and basically there for shock value, if there's really any shock value to be had. also, @anakedfish, maybe you'd like to grace us with your "amazing" movie "skillz" so that the site can be rescued from all of these so called "terrible" movies.

8/15/2008 at 12:20 a.m. by davidmoon

I think it was an unexpected distraction, and served an important purpose for this clip. It made it contemporary, and set the grittiness of the genre.

8/15/2008 at 12:32 a.m. by ing

eh, i just guess i feel it wasn't really needed. also, i'd have to agree with ChiriSan on the whole "parallel plotline" not really moving the story forward, so much as it just adds more people into the mix. when you think about it, the story is basically in the same spot as it was at the end of "Boom," instead now we just know who is in the car.

8/15/2008 at 12:35 a.m. by muffmaster5000

Alon is the tits. great dialogue. hey buddy... whos my little pumpkin shnookums?

8/15/2008 at 1:14 a.m. by FungusRidden

Nice cinematography and artistic style. Also, good acting (the accent seems solidly Italian to me, Russian has a less sing-songy cadence) and snappy dialogue. The conversing is interesting and fun to listen to, and the blood splatter was terrific! A very, very competitive entry!

I'm not personally a fan of the lesbians, but I think the spirit of the piece is to be daring, and for that it fit fine. I'm also prone to agreeing that ChiriSan summed it up well: it rides alongside Boom, less than furthering it. Granted, there's more than one way to skin a cat, and the total plot has definitely evolved into a different monster by the end, but I'd rather shoot a Chapter 4 that isn't picking up in the same spot as Chapter 3, but with more restrictions on character choice.

These are personal considerations, though, not breaching into the technical ability on display here. I especially liked your camerawork; hopefully Rootclip (and the Traverse City Film Festival :P) isn't the only place that skill is being put on display at... ;)

8/15/2008 at 7:32 a.m. by jaytaylorthe1

Thank you Fungus, Davidmooon, and filmguy for your compliments. We worked very hard on this clip; allot of time and effort.

Ok, the lesbians.... Were given two minutes to make you emotionally invested in the characters. Adding that scene gives a tremendous back story and an immediate connection to the girls, wether it's a pleasant one or not; you felt something. And then BAM! There gone. That was for shock value. I started the plot by wanting to hit april while two people were arguing. I knew that I wanted the people in the car to be either be responsible or involved with the explosion. That's when I thought of bank robbers, with that the characters Leo and Mikey were born. Another idea popped into my head to have two more people in the car, but kill them off before the end. So that's when I had to come up with two characters that you could feel like you know something about; in a few seconds. obviously Tarantino has had an impact on me. So I think back to the beginning of pulp fiction. What do the two lovers say to each other before they attempt to rob the restaurant? "I love you". So I took that concept of two freaky lovers livin it up as criminals and made it more edgy. If I just robbed a bank with my sexy girlfriend I would probably lay a big wet one on her, wouldn't you?

@ omingo, I don't k now if you cought on to why it's in black and white and then color. The Black and White represents the past, so when they hit April it becomes color for the present. I didn't just want it to be plain black and white so I made the Black thicker and the White brighter.

@ all those haters, What do you mean it DOESN'T progress the story??? I've answered the explosion..... added two fun characters who have guns and two bags full of money (remember the last contest everyone was upset that people were trying to add characters so late in the story...... solved that problem) ....... April is still alive......... and just a minute away are KC and Ryan.....

The title, Your right ScoresEasy, It does refers to me and Alon making the brains for the killings. We bought plums, grapefruits, and chocolate sauce. I put the camera on a tripod in the back seat;, we both took a bite of the fruit chewed it up, garggeled the chocolate sauce and spit on my back window.

8/15/2008 at 10:35 a.m. by ChiriSan

Wow, easy compadre. Don't think any of us are hating...at least I'm not. Hate's a strong word lol

Like I said before yours is pretty cool. And I think I get where you're coming from. Making stuff as good as yours is no where near easy. It takes a lot of time and work for everyone involved. So I understand how irritating it might be when folks start giving critiques and all.

I guess I might be putting too much concern on progression of the story, being that we all have a max time of 2 minutes to play with and like 3 chapters to go. But this has been a pretty strong chapter submission, three completely different styles and quite entertaining. Congrats to all the players :)

8/15/2008 at 11:06 a.m. by davidmoon

This story was daring. Alternate storylines have their place. I thought KRN's "Hey, dirt bag!" submission from the previous competition was excellent, though it did not win. I'm a sucker for a musical, but if this clip won ... I wouldn't feel too bad.

8/15/2008 at 12:59 p.m. by lobsterdouche

@jaytaylorthe1, I may have ragged on you before, this short is much better than the other two, along with being quite a bit better than your earlier work, and it actually advances the story (or at least adds depth).

8/15/2008 at 1:03 p.m. by natejones

I actually see this piece as advancing the story fine. The explosion is now from a robbery of some sort which explains the running people and shows why April got hit. While there is a lot of extra "junk" (i.e. the kiss) but it still advances the story. I liked it for the most part.

Introducing new characters though doesn't always work out, as we've seen in the past.

8/15/2008 at 1:28 p.m. by killerrobotninja

It's interesting to see a majority of the viewers (commenters, at least) are on the conservative side. Film makers should take note. It's not like you did anything we haven't all seen a hundred times in Hollywood, but maybe this site has more of a PG-13 vibe (which also means you've spent more than this story's fair share of F-bombs).

8/15/2008 at 1:37 p.m. by killerrobotninja

oh yeah! GO.

In GO, two storylines meet when a girl gets hit by a car. The car occupants are gay, and they scream like girls upon impact.

8/15/2008 at 1:55 p.m. by megs41688

Great job Jay!!!! I love it. plus lesbian action was totally believable and still tasteful even though they went at it.

8/15/2008 at 1:57 p.m. by killerrobotninja

haha, i watched it again... and I see that your f-bomb count is only 1. So if the MPAA was feeling nice and frisky, this might still make a PG-13. I don't recall how many headshots you're allowed. ;P

8/15/2008 at 2:54 p.m. by FungusRidden

It's nice that we've all developed an unspoken rule that though we can argue for the sake of art, we've played the self-censoring game and contained things under reasonable wraps. Enough that children wandering around the site aren't likely to be bombarded by breasts and repetitious language. Although several of us are apparently unfazed by gore, and perhaps a tad desensitized. ;)

Also, now that I'm considering it more carefully, I guess if we kept these levels up for 90 minutes, we'd probably still end up with a chunky R rating. So much for my attempts at feel-good logic.

8/15/2008 at 4:47 p.m. by thedude

why is this trailing so far behind the musical? This should be beating it, or at least close to it! come on people, help progress the story, so we can have a more fluid and sensical movie, and let this chapter win! I encourage people to retract their vote from "Hold On April" and switch it over to this

8/15/2008 at 7 p.m. by davidmoon

OK, the musical too squeaky clean and cheesy, and this one's too dirty. Yet the one in the middle is trailing last -- go figure.

8/15/2008 at 8:10 p.m. by fiercedeityys

I encourage people to vote for whatever video they like best, even if its not made by me and my team.

8/15/2008 at 8:31 p.m. by FungusRidden

;_;

NOOOOOOO, NOT MY VOOOOOTES! OMR, COME BAAAACK! ;_;

This entry deserves lots of votes. I think the musical does, too. Hopefully they both get tons! Thankfully, the judges will once again make the final say. If you have to sink our voting boat, go forth and scuttle, but I'd much appreciate not being trounced twice by this guy and his snappy filmmaking. I cry myself to sleep still over Chapter 4.

8/15/2008 at 9:37 p.m. by bryceanderic

I'm not getting the PG attitude of the boards, phrases like 'responsible film-making' and 'do we have to go there' come on guys, this isn't a high school class, this is guerilla film making, this is our opportunity to take risks, put it on the line, push the limits, do crazy, creative things with the ultimate goal to be creating something we're proud of. Winning the rounds will always be in the back of our heads, but not jumping from a building or not putting a risque scene in shouldn't be. I'm not trying to defend anyone's choice, but lets not create a community where stepping outside the lines is looked down on, right! I'm currently cruisin around Iraq for the month, but I'm gearing up to throw my hat in a round when I get back, keep an eye out for my f-bomb dropping lesbian make out building jump scene :)

8/15/2008 at 9:49 p.m. by thedude

THANK YOU! thats all i am saying. I'm not trying to blast the other clips, they're great! I just don't think people should punish someone for making a daring, edgy, smart, funny, clip, just because it isn't PG enough, or because it has an aspect of homosexuality, rather than heterosexuality. Do we really think a passionate kiss (whether it be gay or straight) is tasteless and uneccessary? Are we really not that progressive as a society, or as artists? Ponder your morals, before you condemn this clip!

8/15/2008 at 9:59 p.m. by jaytaylorthe1

bryceanderic, can we be best friends?

8/16/2008 at 6:42 a.m. by jaytaylorthe1

Thank you Bryceanderic and thedude, thank you so much. My team and I were getting a little worried that there was no one here who understood. I beg of everyone who is upset about the clip to SERIOUSLY take a step back, breath a deep breath and honestly ask yourself if it had been a man and a women in the back seat; would you still be so disgruntled?

8/16/2008 at 9:34 a.m. by killerrobotninja

I'm all for artistic freedom, and I actually like the ideas and dialogue here. The edit was a little rough to me, and some of the cinematography left something to be desired.

You can't ask people to wonder how they would have reacted IF you hadn't done the very thing you included for shock value. You anecdotally use the word "lesbians" throughout your piece. You made them a novelty and people reacted to it. I'm personally not offended, but I can't help but believe you were looking for a reaction. People have limits, and that's nothing to be ashamed of.

Don't get me wrong here. You guys are good at what you do(and getting better). Quentin would be proud.

8/16/2008 at 10:21 a.m. by bryceanderic

Yes, I don't want my comment to come across as defending jaytaylor's film. The lesbian debate.... not something I would have gone for, but the right to put it there, that I'll defend. My vote this round goes to Chirisan (please don't defriend me, jay!) because of the good progression of the story, tight editing, good use of music, mood, and I just overall liked it. The idea in Jay's film is unique, but I feel could be executed better, but.... definitely a step up from his last films, and I'm sure his future entries will keep getting better, as I hope mine will also!

8/16/2008 at 10:23 a.m. by jerrycommahello

Okay. I've watched the video a few times and I think I have figured out something different to say about it. AND I'll do it without bringing up the lesbian aspect.

Overall, I thought it was a good film. I liked the use of black & white vs color to show past and present. I also enjoyed the juxtaposition of humor with a serious style (i.e. "What? I wanted the money. They had the money. I shot them and took the money." "Yeah that makes sense I guess.").

HOWEVER!

The part from when the guy slid across the hood to the part where the girls were shot was where I had a problem. When the guy riding shotgun slid across the hood, it seemed like the driver was confused. Was this because he was trying to blow up his other passengers? That would make sense if they were pissed at him when they got back in the car. "Dude! What the Hell was that?! We could have been killed!" And then the driver reacts accordingly, shoots them and the clip continues.

I also would have liked a clearer shot of the case the girls brought back into the car. I definitely missed it the first couple of times. Maybe add something as simple as the shooter reaching back and looting the case from one of the dead girls.

This said, I have hereby retracted my vote from "Hold on, April!" and transferred it to you. I realized that although some parts may have seemed unnecessarily vulgar to some, you were going for that gritty feel. The clip gave not only background as to why there was a car that hit April, but introduced two new (alive) characters and what would seem to be a very significant amount of money. Even though it did not technically advance the plot forward, it did open it up for new ideas that all of us other submitters will undeniably fail to resolve in later chapters. Thanks a lot, jerk. :-P

8/16/2008 at 1:51 p.m. by davidmoon

Good film doesn't always make me feel comfortable. I think back to Silence of the Lambs. An excellent film, but creepy and unexpected themes the first time around.

I agree with Les -- I like the ideas and dialogue, but the execution was rough. I think if the was a better made film, there wouldn't be so much huff about it. But at the end of the day, these guys are getting much better.

We can now cross off lesbians and musicals (Well .. operettas, if you want to get technical) off the 'been there, done that' list for Rootclip. Now, who's up for a good western?

8/16/2008 at 4:48 p.m. by FungusRidden

raises hand

First one to find a desert, screws us all. :)

8/16/2008 at 6:56 p.m. by davidmoon

I think someone needs to submit an aquatic ballet next time 'round ...

8/17/2008 at 1:20 a.m. by bryceanderic

Dude, I'm all about the western!

8/17/2008 at 2:44 p.m. by jaytaylorthe1

I love Westerns! You guys really want a western I can make it happen

8/18/2008 at 9:01 a.m. by bryceanderic

It may not be fair that I'm currently in the middle of a desert :)

8/22/2008 at 3:57 a.m. by slickfire

Since when did lesbians kissing become shocking again? This is 2008 man!